Comments on: Stagnant/Alive http://www.annelisabeth.com/blog/2004/10/05/stagnantalive/ writes about tech, faith and whatever Tue, 07 Feb 2012 20:00:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: IBIYEYE MUYIWA http://www.annelisabeth.com/blog/2004/10/05/stagnantalive/#comment-101 IBIYEYE MUYIWA Fri, 01 Apr 2005 17:27:46 +0000 http://www.annelisabeth.com/blog/2004/10/05/stagnantalive/#comment-101 Sir, On behalf of our organisation comprising of pastors and evangelist we are delighted to heard about your ministry and to in conjuction along with you wenever you have a program,events,and conference.God bliss Best regard, James o President Sir,
On behalf of our organisation comprising of pastors and evangelist we are delighted to heard about your ministry and to in conjuction along with you wenever you have a program,events,and conference.God bliss

Best regard,
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]]> By: Doug http://www.annelisabeth.com/blog/2004/10/05/stagnantalive/#comment-99 Doug Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:10:53 +0000 http://www.annelisabeth.com/blog/2004/10/05/stagnantalive/#comment-99 Thanks for alerting me to this! What you have seen the last five years isn't really that different from the U.S., I'm sorry to say. So many pastors want to control what goes on in the services, it seems. But I learned something recently that I never thought of before that might help understand some things. I have a set of teaching CDs called "The Worship Leader's Tool Kit", something I picked up at a Lamar Boschman worship seminar here in Dallas. One of the teachings was by Ross Parsley, on the relationship between the pastor & the worship leader, stating that it was the most public & therefore the most important relationship in the church. Here are some of the bullet points I took from that: For Worship leaders: 1) Be submitted to the senior pastor & his vision - Submission doesn’t begin until there is a disagreement 2) Be intentional in your communication & relationship 3) Be secure in who you are & what God has called you to do 4) Be consistent in you work & ministry - Be able to show senior pastor the consistency & detail in your work - Be organized 5) Understand the different roles of the senior pastor - Jesus was pastor to masses - Jesus was boss of the twelve - Jesus was the coach of the three (Peter, James, John) - Gave them more attention - Jesus was the friend of John For Senior pastors: 1) Senior pastor is the lead worshiper - Culture, style, theology 2) Make the worship leader part of the team that runs the church 3) Give them the authority (the room) to lead 4) Offer consistent feedback 5) Provide the necessary resources & support I think often, senior pastors feel like they have to constantly step in, and I wonder if that's because the two aren't on the same page. What you experienced with Mission SOS sounds like a good start. Let's pray that this continues to rise up, and the the people there - Christians & non-Christians alike - will see God move in a mighty way! Thanks for alerting me to this!

What you have seen the last five years isn’t really that different from the U.S., I’m sorry to say. So many pastors want to control what goes on in the services, it seems. But I learned something recently that I never thought of before that might help understand some things.

I have a set of teaching CDs called “The Worship Leader’s Tool Kit”, something I picked up at a Lamar Boschman worship seminar here in Dallas. One of the teachings was by Ross Parsley, on the relationship between the pastor & the worship leader, stating that it was the most public & therefore the most important relationship in the church. Here are some of the bullet points I took from that:

For Worship leaders:
1) Be submitted to the senior pastor & his vision
- Submission doesn’t begin until there is a disagreement
2) Be intentional in your communication & relationship
3) Be secure in who you are & what God has called you to do
4) Be consistent in you work & ministry
- Be able to show senior pastor the consistency & detail in your work
- Be organized
5) Understand the different roles of the senior pastor
- Jesus was pastor to masses
- Jesus was boss of the twelve
- Jesus was the coach of the three (Peter, James, John)
- Gave them more attention
- Jesus was the friend of John

For Senior pastors:
1) Senior pastor is the lead worshiper
- Culture, style, theology
2) Make the worship leader part of the team that runs the church
3) Give them the authority (the room) to lead
4) Offer consistent feedback
5) Provide the necessary resources & support

I think often, senior pastors feel like they have to constantly step in, and I wonder if that’s because the two aren’t on the same page.

What you experienced with Mission SOS sounds like a good start. Let’s pray that this continues to rise up, and the the people there - Christians & non-Christians alike - will see God move in a mighty way!

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